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The MacRumors Show: Was HomeView Worth the Wait?‎

Apple this week finally announced the HomePod mini 2, a new Apple TV 4K, and its "HomeView" smart home hub. On this week's episode of The MacRumors Show, we talk through our reactions to the announcements. Subscribe to The MacRumors Show YouTube channel for more videos Apple's HomeView costs $299 and combines a 7-inch square display with Siri AI, FaceTime, music playback, and smart home controls. It has had something of a mixed reception from YouTubers and the wider Apple community, with some of the criticism centering on what it adds for someone who already owns an iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, or HomePod. A screen for timers, photos, music, and home controls will be useful for many, but it is harder to explain why someone wearing an Apple Watch would reach across a kitchen counter to set a timer, or why they would type a message on HomeView instead of taking out their iPhone. Apple's promotional video puts some of those less convincing uses front and center. There are many details to like about the design. The display can show photos and customizable faces, dim to just 0.3 nits in the dark, and adjust its interface as someone approaches. In the kitchen, guided recipes turn webpages into step-by-step instructions, with voice-controlled timers available while cooking. HomeView makes more sense as a replacement for an Echo Show or Nest Hub, particularly for anyone tired of poor ecosystem integration and ads on their smart display. For people who have never wanted one, it may be less obvious what Apple has added to change their minds. HomeView recognizes up to six people and switches to their apps and personal information. Its privacy protections mean personal content normally appears only when the user is recognized and their paired device is nearby and recently unlocked. ‌Siri‌ AI can answer general questions without an Apple Intelligence-compatible device, but personal requests still require one. There is no App Store, either. Compatible third-party audio and video apps appear through a connected iPhone or ‌iPad‌, using a CarPlay-like system. For services such as Spotify and Audible, that means relying on another device rather than installing an app directly on HomeView. The wall-mounted version costs the same $299 despite losing the tabletop model's speaker base, woofer, and passive radiators. Mounts start at $59.95, and the box includes no power adapter or cable. It could be a welcome replacement for an ‌iPad‌ mounted on a wall, but putting several around a home quickly becomes expensive. Six years after the original ‌HomePod‌ mini, the HomePod mini 2 adds an S10 chip, Sound Glow lighting, and support for ‌Siri‌ AI while retaining the same basic speaker hardware. Its $149 price is roughly 50% higher than the original's $99 launch price, following a June increase to $129. The new model can serve as a default Mac speaker on models with Wi-Fi 6E or later. ‌Siri‌ AI is likely to make a bigger difference to everyday use, but it will arrive later, after the speaker launches on October 30. The new Apple TV 4K also asks buyers to pay more for a familiar product. At $299, it adds the A19 chip, built-in microphones, and an updated ‌Siri‌ Remote. ‌Siri‌ AI is also coming to older models, while the new remote can be bought separately for $59. The starting price is now more than twice the $129 entry point available before June's increases. The new model includes 128GB of storage, Ethernet, and Thread, and the equivalent outgoing model had already reached $249. Even so, $299 is a substantial outlay for a streaming box when many existing owners have little reason to replace theirs. Support for four HomePods is one reason to upgrade. The new ‌Apple TV‌ can use matching front and rear pairs of ‌HomePod mini 2‌ or second-generation full-sized HomePods for surround sound. Buying the box, two full-sized HomePods, and two ‌HomePod mini 2‌ speakers at Apple's U.S. prices totals $1,295. These are products people can keep for years, but that also makes keeping an existing setup an attractive option. The Apple Home Collection, developed with LG and Schneider Electric, adds another set of expensive purchases. One-tap setup and a lock that uses Ultra Wideband to unlock as someone approaches are useful features. Whether they justify paying more than for other HomeKit accessories is another matter, especially when buying equipment for an entire home. Apple is reportedly still working on a robotic home display and its own camera, separate from the LG and Schneider products. The camera is said to detect activity and presence without recording video. We also look ahead to the rumored OLED MacBook, where a lighter design and a new display could matter more than the touchscreen. It is expected to be announced later this month. We also briefly return to the iPhone Duo, including whether its folding display and software changes make a more convincing case for trying a new kind of Apple device. The MacRumors Show has its own YouTube channel, so make sure you're subscribed to keep up with new episodes and clips. You can also listen to ‌The MacRumors Show‌ on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, or other podcast apps. You can also copy our RSS feed directly into your player. If you haven't already listened to the previous episode of The MacRumors Show, catch up to hear our predictions about the HomeView, ‌HomePod mini 2‌, and new ‌Apple TV‌ 4K prior to their official announcement. Subscribe to ‌The MacRumors Show‌ for new episodes every week, where we discuss some of the topical news breaking here on MacRumors, often joined by familiar guests such as Tyler Stalman, Michael Fisher, Kayci Lacob, Kevin Nether, John Gruber, Mark Gurman, Jon Prosser, Luke Miani, Matthew Cassinelli, Brian Tong, Quinn Nelson, Jared Nelson, Eli Hodapp, Mike Bell, Sara Dietschy, iJustine, Jon Rettinger, Andru Edwards, Arnold Kim, Ben Sullins, Marcus Kane, Christopher Lawley, Frank McShan, David Lewis, Sam Kohl, Federico Viticci, Thomas Frank, Jonathan Morrison, Ross Young, Ian Zelbo, and Rene Ritchie. ‌The MacRumors Show‌ is on X @MacRumorsShow, so be sure to give us a follow to keep up with the podcast. You can also email us at podcast@macrumors.com or head over to The MacRumors Show forum thread. Remember to rate and review the podcast, and let us know what subjects and guests you would like to see in the future.Related Roundup: Apple HomeViewTag: The MacRumors ShowBuyer's Guide: HomeView (Buy Now)Related Forum: HomePod, HomeView, CarPlay – Home & Auto TechThis article, "The MacRumors Show: Was HomeView Worth the Wait?" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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Apple Refers to HomeView as 'HomePodDevice' in Legal Document‎

Apple's HomeView software license agreement refers to the HomeView as a "HomePodDevice" in one section. This is surely a placeholder name from a draft version of the agreement that Apple forgot to replace in the final version, and it reveals that Apple unsurprisingly views the HomeView as a HomePod-like device. On a related note, Apple's legal website has two other agreements titled "HomePodOS 26" and "HomePodOS 27," even though Apple refers to the platform as simply "HomePod software" in those documents and elsewhere. It may be the closest we get to homeOS.Related Roundup: Apple HomeViewBuyer's Guide: HomeView (Buy Now)Related Forum: HomePod, HomeView, CarPlay – Home & Auto TechThis article, "Apple Refers to HomeView as 'HomePodDevice' in Legal Document" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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Apple Pre-Orders Kick Off With First Discounts on HomeView and Apple TV 4K‎

Pre-orders are now live on Apple's newest devices, including the HomeView and Apple TV 4K, and Amazon has the first-ever discounts on these devices. We're also tracking great deals on MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and Apple Watch SE 3 in this week's best Apple deals. Note: MacRumors is an affiliate partner with Amazon. When you click a link and make a purchase, we may receive a small payment, which helps us keep the site running. Apple Pre-Orders What's the deal? Get early pre-order discounts on HomeView, Apple TV 4K, and iPhone Duo Where can I get it? Amazon and cellular carriers Where can I find the original deal? Right here $9 OFFHomeView for $289.99 $9 OFFApple TV 4K for $289.99 UP TO $1,200 OFFiPhone Duo at AT&T It's pre-order week for Apple's newest devices, with the HomeView, Apple TV 4K, and iPhone Duo all now available to be pre-ordered. On Amazon, you can get a small discount on the HomeView and Apple TV 4K, while cellular carriers like AT&T have up to $1,200 off with trade-in credit on the iPhone Duo. Mac Mini and Mac Studio What's the deal? Get record low prices on Mac mini and Mac Studio Where can I get it? Amazon Where can I find the original deal? Right here $200 OFFM5 Max Mac Studio 36GB/512GB for $2,299.00 $119 OFFM6 Mac mini 16GB/256GB for $779.99 $149 OFFM6 Mac mini 16GB/512GB for $949.99 Apple's M5 Max Mac Studio with 36GB RAM and a 512GB SSD is still on sale for $2,299.00, down from $2,499.00. Regarding the Mac mini, you can get the 16GB RAM/256GB SSD Mac mini for $779.99, down from $899.00, and the 16GB RAM/512GB SSD model for $949.99, down from $1,099.00. Apple Watch SE 3 What's the deal? Get $49 off Apple Watch SE 3 Where can I get it? Amazon Where can I find the original deal? Right here $49 OFFApple Watch SE 3 (40mm GPS) for $199.99 Amazon is discounting one model of the Apple Watch SE 3 today, with a price that matches the Prime Day low we saw earlier in the month. You can get the 40mm GPS model for $199.99, a $49 discount. MacBook Pro What's the deal? Get record low prices on 2026 MacBook Pro Where can I get it? Amazon Where can I find the original deal? Right here $600 OFF14-inch M5 Pro MacBook Pro (24GB/2TB) for $2,399.00 $800 OFF14-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro (36GB/2TB) for $3,299.00 $500 OFF16-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro (48GB/2TB) for $4,499.00 Amazon has introduced a giant $800 discount on the 36GB/2TB 14-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro, now priced at $3,299.00. This is the steepest discount on the 14-inch models right now, but you'll also find a few entry-level options on sale below. If you're on the hunt for more discounts, be sure to visit our Apple Deals roundup where we recap the best Apple-related bargains of the past week. Deals Newsletter Interested in hearing more about the best deals you can find as we head into the holidays? You can sign up for our Deals Newsletter and we'll keep you updated so you don't miss the biggest deals of the season! Related Roundup: Apple DealsThis article, "Apple Pre-Orders Kick Off With First Discounts on HomeView and Apple TV 4K" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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iPhone Duo Resold for $5,000 on eBay After Selling Out‎

As spotted by Vadim Yuryev of the YouTube channel Max Tech, the iPhone Duo has already been resold on eBay for as much as $5,000 after shipping estimates for the device slipped into 2027 on Apple's online store within minutes of pre-orders beginning today. The listing that is marked as sold is for an iPhone Duo in the Night Sky color with 2TB of storage. Apple sells this configuration for $3,199 in the U.S., so the device has apparently fetched an $1,800 premium on eBay. A separate eBay listing for an iPhone Duo in Night Sky with 1TB of storage is also marked as sold for $4,400. Apple sells this configuration for $2,599, so this device has also been resold at a $1,800 premium. Apple's online store in the U.S. shows an estimated shipping date of January 25 for all iPhone Duo configurations as of 6:45 a.m. Pacific Time.Related Roundup: iPhone DuoTag: eBayBuyer's Guide: iPhone Duo (Buy Now)Related Forum: iPhoneThis article, "iPhone Duo Resold for $5,000 on eBay After Selling Out" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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Developers Question Scope of Potential Apple Antitrust Settlement‎

Developers are questioning whether a settlement of the U.S. government's antitrust case against Apple would meaningfully loosen the company's control over the iPhone, according to The Information. The report highlights PayPal and Epic Games among the companies that have raised concerns with the Department of Justice (DOJ). Officials have reportedly indicated that they favor a negotiated resolution and have asked developers to suggest improvements to how the iPhone works with other companies' products. These discussions largely center on interoperability, including access for competing accessories and payment services. The concern among developers and antitrust lawyers cited in the report is how much Apple would actually have to change. Rival smartwatches, for example, lack much of the integration available to the Apple Watch, while competing payment apps reportedly still face disadvantages despite gaining access to near-field communication (NFC) technology for contactless payments. When the DOJ filed its lawsuit in March 2024, it alleged that restrictions affecting messaging, digital wallets, smartwatches, cloud gaming, and multipurpose apps helped Apple unlawfully protect its smartphone monopoly. Apple rejected these allegations and argued that the government's proposed intervention would threaten its ability to design integrated products. Some of the capabilities at issue have changed since the lawsuit began. Apple added Rich Communication Services (RCS) support to Messages with iOS 18, improving communication with Android phones. It also expanded access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities for third-party contactless transactions starting with iOS 18.1. According to The Information, Apple offered interoperability concessions during an earlier attempt to avert the lawsuit. The company could still resist the broader changes developers want, leaving the current negotiations without an agreement. Proton said it doubted Apple would accept terms developers would regard as satisfactory.Tags: Apple Antitrust, Epic Games, Epic Games vs. Apple, PayPal, Proton, The Information, United StatesThis article, "Developers Question Scope of Potential Apple Antitrust Settlement" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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Massive Discounts Hit 2026 MacBook Pro With Up to $800 Off‎

Today we're tracking a trio of major discounts on Apple's newest MacBook Pro models, including $500 off a 16-inch model and up to $800 off 14-inch models on Amazon. Note: MacRumors is an affiliate partner with some of these vendors. When you click a link and make a purchase, we may receive a small payment, which helps us keep the site running. The 15-Core M5 Pro 14-inch MacBook Pro with 24GB RAM and 2TB SSD has hit $2,399.00 on Amazon, down from $2,999.00. This one is only available in Space Black, and it's a new record low price on the 14-inch MacBook Pro, now priced just $100 more than the 1TB model on Amazon. $600 OFF14-inch M5 Pro MacBook Pro (24GB/2TB) for $2,399.00 $800 OFF14-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro (36GB/2TB) for $3,299.00 $500 OFF16-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro (48GB/2TB) for $4,499.00 Additionally, Amazon has now sweetened the deal on the 14-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro with 36GB RAM and 2TB SSD, available for $3,299.00, down from $4,099.00. This is now a massive $800 discount on the new price of the MacBook Pro, and it beats the previous discount we saw earlier in the month by $200. If you're on the hunt for more discounts, be sure to visit our Apple Deals roundup where we recap the best Apple-related bargains of the past week. Deals Newsletter Interested in hearing more about the best deals you can find as we head into the holidays? You can sign up for our Deals Newsletter and we'll keep you updated so you don't miss the biggest deals of the season! Related Roundup: Apple DealsThis article, "Massive Discounts Hit 2026 MacBook Pro With Up to $800 Off" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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iPhone Duo is Sold Out for Christmas as Shipping Estimates Slip to 2027‎

If you were hoping to surprise someone with an iPhone Duo for Christmas, you might be out of luck, as Apple's online store in the U.S. is already showing an estimated shipping date of January 25 for all configurations of the device. It is possible that some Apple Stores will have the iPhone Duo available for walk-in customers on Friday, October 23 launch day, but it seems likely that inventory will be very tight. For customers interested in reserving an Apple Store pickup slot, Apple's online store now says to check back on Saturday, October 24 for this.Related Roundup: iPhone DuoBuyer's Guide: iPhone Duo (Coming Soon)Related Forum: iPhoneThis article, "iPhone Duo is Sold Out for Christmas as Shipping Estimates Slip to 2027" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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Didn't Pre-Order an iPhone Duo Yet? Wait Times Are Significant Now‎

iPhone Duo pre-orders began today in the U.S. and select other countries. If you have yet to place a pre-order, however, wait times at Apple are longer now. The first customers who pre-ordered right when pre-orders began at 5 a.m. Pacific Time today will have their devices delivered on Friday, October 23. By just 5:30 a.m. Pacific Time though, select configurations on Apple's online store in the U.S. are now showing delivery estimates into late January for new orders. iPhone Duo / Star White / 256GB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Star White / 512GB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Star White / 1TB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Star White / 2TB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Night Sky / 256GB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Night Sky / 512GB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Night Sky / 1TB: January 25 iPhone Duo / Night Sky / 2TB: January 25Related Roundup: iPhone DuoBuyer's Guide: iPhone Duo (Coming Soon)Related Forum: iPhoneThis article, "Didn't Pre-Order an iPhone Duo Yet? Wait Times Are Significant Now" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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First Apple TV 4K Pre-Order Discount Arrives at Amazon‎

Following in the footsteps of a small pre-order discount on the HomeView, Amazon is now offering the first cash discount on the brand new A19 Apple TV 4K. You can get this model for $289.99, down from $299.00. Note: MacRumors is an affiliate partner with some of these vendors. When you click a link and make a purchase, we may receive a small payment, which helps us keep the site running. This is a pre-order discount on the new Apple TV 4K, and Amazon provides an estimated delivery on launch day, which is November 13. Although only a $9 discount, this is now the best price we've tracked on the device, and as of writing Amazon is the only place offering any sort of markdown. $9 OFFApple TV 4K for $289.99 For anyone who just wants to upgrade their existing Apple TV 4K with the new Find My-enabled Siri Remote, Amazon has that accessory for pre-order at $59.00. There's no discount on the Siri Remote, but if you purchase this without spending on an entirely new Apple TV 4K, you'll definitely be saving yourself some money. PRE-ORDERNew Siri Remote for $59.00 If you're looking to save on the HomeView, Amazon has the home hub device for $289.99 as well, down from $299.00. This one is available in Space Gray and Rose Pink colors, and it's also set to launch on November 13. If you're on the hunt for more discounts, be sure to visit our Apple Deals roundup where we recap the best Apple-related bargains of the past week. Deals Newsletter Interested in hearing more about the best deals you can find as we head into the holidays? You can sign up for our Deals Newsletter and we'll keep you updated so you don't miss the biggest deals of the season! Related Roundup: Apple DealsThis article, "First Apple TV 4K Pre-Order Discount Arrives at Amazon" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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iPhone Duo Pre-Order Deals: The Best Carrier Offers From AT&T and T-Mobile‎

Apple today launched pre-orders for the iPhone Duo. If you're looking to place a pre-order on one of these models at a cellular carrier, we've rounded up all of the best deals and offers you can find from the major carriers in the United States. Note: MacRumors is an affiliate partner with some of these vendors. When you click a link and make a purchase, we may receive a small payment, which helps us keep the site running. AT&T At AT&T, new and existing customers can get up to $1,200 off the iPhone Duo with an eligible trade-in. If you're switching to AT&T, the carrier will give you up to $800 to pay off your current device balance, and you can save $200 per line when ordering the smartphone online. UP TO $1,200 OFFiPhone Duo at AT&T In regards to the main offer of up to $1,200 off the iPhone Duo, AT&T says this requires an eligible trade-in of $230 or more, alongside activation of a new line or upgrading an existing line. You'll get this credit over the course of 36 months on your AT&T bill. You can find the breakdown of each plan tier from AT&T below, and remember that they each require a trade-in as well. Up to $1,200 off iPhone Duo: requires AT&T Premium 2.0 plan or higher / trade-in value of $230 or more Up to $930 off iPhone Duo: requires AT&T Extra 2.0 plan or higher / trade-in value of $130 or more Up to $500 off iPhone Duo: requires Value 2.0 plan / trade-in value of $130 or more Up to $350 off iPhone Duo: requires any eligible unlimited plan / trade-in value of $35-$129 T-Mobile T-Mobile is offering up to $1,000 off the iPhone Duo with any condition trade-in on an Experience Beyond plan. This discount will appear in the form of bill credits over the course of 36 months. UP TO $1,200 OFFiPhone Duo at T-Mobile Similarly if you're on the Experience More or Experience Beyond plan, you can get up to $830 off with a trade-in, and up to $730 off with a new line on most other plans. All of these offers have the same payout schedule over the course of 36 months. If you're on the hunt for more discounts, be sure to visit our Apple Deals roundup where we recap the best Apple-related bargains of the past week. Deals Newsletter Interested in hearing more about the best deals you can find as we head into the holidays? You can sign up for our Deals Newsletter and we'll keep you updated so you don't miss the biggest deals of the season! Related Roundup: Apple DealsThis article, "iPhone Duo Pre-Order Deals: The Best Carrier Offers From AT&T and T-Mobile" first appeared on MacRumors.comDiscuss this article in our forums

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